Authors' Argument in "Dulce Et Decorum Est" by Wilfred Owen

3/12/2015

Now that you have read and analyzed Owen's poem, supplementing your understanding by viewing video clips and discussing, please take a moment to reflect on Owen's argument regarding war. Then answer the following prompts:
1. What is his argument and how does he use his poem to prove his argument? Please be sure to use multiple line references (3+ references) to support your analysis>
2. Once you have thoroughly explained Owen's argument regarding war, please compose a thoughtful response either refuting and supporting his stance.

In your Primary Blog Entry, you should respond to the questions above in a single entry. Your Secondary Blog Entry should respond to two of your colleagues' entries that are especially interesting to you.

Part One Expectations (respond to the prompt above): 200-250 words, 2 quotes from the novel, minimal errors in grammar and usage, thoughtful and thorough writing. Please use the assigned "pen name" given to you in class PLEASE FINISH BY FRIDAY NIGHT!

Part Two Expectations (read everyone's first responses, select two that interest you, and respond to their ideas): 100-150 words EACH, minimal errors in grammar and usage, thoughtful and thorough writing. Please use the assigned "pen name" given to you in class. FINISH BY SUNDAY NIGHT!

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42 Comments

3/13/2015 05:30:45 am

Owen’s argument is that “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” is a lie. He is able to argue this through his poem by describing what someone might see when at war. Mustard gas was used as a weapon used in world war I. This gas would kill you slowly by breaking down your insides, causing you to bleed on the inside. If this gas touches your skin, you will have many blisters developing and will be itchy all over. In Owen’s poem he says “He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.” This is a visual effect that will help you see how brutal this gas was. Fighting for your country is good, but when you die in such a brutal way, it may not be so beautiful or sweet. The death by mustard gas is slow and will take it’s time putting you in agony. “If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs”, this line is describing the sound of someone who inhaled mustard gas and is choking, unable to bleed because of the blood in their lungs, all you can hear from them is their struggle and gargling. Another example that proves Owen’s argument is line 11-12 when he mentions a man, floundering after the mustard gas bomb was thrown. He couldn’t find his gas mask and he knew he was about to die. I agree with Owen’s argument, and I believe that it is also a lie. People who go to war go to fight for their country and are willing to die for it, but I think that not everyone expects a slow, painful one. I think most people who go to war expect death to be quick that is perhaps by a bomb or gun. Sweet and fitting may be a generalization for going to war and dying for one’s county.
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3/13/2015 08:44:16 am

I agree! Fighting for your country is good, but when it comes dying for something that could have been prevented is just unfair because all these people should be warned about the dangers of going into war. They were basically forced because they said things that would caught their attention and hid the negativity of the whole thing. It's a very common thing that still occurs too as it it still stands today. I honestly think it isn't worth putting yourself at risk, even if I know nothing about war, but I do know it's dangerous so I wouldn't even think twice about going.

3/15/2015 01:56:07 pm

I agree with what you said about how Owen's argument for "Dulce et Decorum est pro patria mori" being a lie because it says that it is sweet and fitting to die for your country, but many people would have different views about this. The reason why is because of the experiences that the soldiers would face during the battles against the enemies because of how painful one would die from the weapons used like the mustard gas which will slowly kill you and cause you to bleed internally.

3/13/2015 05:31:44 am

In the poem “Dulce et Decorum Est.” by Wilfred Owe the war was being shown to the people to convince them to join. Owen argument was basically talking about how he believes it’s wrong to put this false image in these young men’s’ heads. In the “Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time” this quote from Owens poem is an example of how if you aren’t fast enough, if something goes wrong, you can lose your life very fast, something unexpected. In reality you can die in the war faster than you believe. “He plunges at me, guttering, choking, and drowning.” Owen then in this quote shows a part of imagery. How it was like for these people who were hurt and in pain. The war should have been looked at differently because the men should have the right to fully know exactly what they’re getting themselves into coming into the war. Don’t speak about the war to these men in a different perspective with all positivity just to get them into the war. They should know as well as deserve to know what they are getting themselves in to and what the possible outcomes can be in the war for these men. I personally agree with Owen because they have the right to know and shouldn’t be lied to which is basically what is happening. They should be told about the war so they can be mentally and physically ready to prepare themselves for what’s coming rather than being in shock not necessarily knowing exactly what they have gotten themselves into.
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3/13/2015 08:33:32 am

I totally agree with your response! I also believe that it isn't right as how the ads were sugar coating the whole war thing with things that soldiers would like and benefit them. They deserve nothing but the truth because they are putting their life on danger and could possibly die, it's a sin. Most of the men that go into war aren't aware of the risks because they dnot know exactly as to what they have to prepare for. This is a huge mistake of how the country handles it.

3/15/2015 12:13:57 pm

I would have to agree with your argument. Although many others had different
arguments this one has to be one of the best. It is wrong to make war seem all roses and daisies
when its all bullets and bombs. It is absolutely wrong to make young people think war is easy
when its not. You have to be fast exactly like you said. Anyone going into war should definitely
know what they are getting themselves into. If your going to give your life and fight and kill
people who want to kill you then you obviously would want to know more and how its like if its
going to be your first time attempting this ya know? Its common sense, if you're going to jump in
a pool then you obviously test the water out first. It seems like back then the only way they got
you to fight was to trick you.

3/15/2015 01:46:27 pm

I agree with your response because it is wrong for us to lie to young people about how war is amazing and glorious so that it would get them to join the army. The young people should have the rights to know what really happens in the battlefield because as they go into battle, they would have high expectation of how war is going to be exciting and amazing but will soon find out the truth about what it is really like.

3/15/2015 04:14:09 pm

I agree I feel like it's not ok to make it seem like war is such a good place to go to when in reality it's not . I also agree with Owens argument because it's not right for people to go into war without even knowing what they're getting into.

3/13/2015 05:34:19 am

In the poem “Dulce Et Decorum Est” the author explains to us that the war is nothing good. In the poem the author acknowledge the truth of what being in the war is really like with the mustard gas. He lets people know that the war maybe a great place to go to for fighting for our country but while you there, there is no good in it. The author tells us how the soldiers react to the mustards gas. In the poem it says “Bent double, like old beggars, under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge.” It describes to us what the soldiers go through while they are in war. When the mustard gas is let out the soldiers look like they are “under a green sea.” Owner talks about a soldier who forced himself on him while he was chocking, guttering and drowning while looking for some help. But Owner couldn’t really do much for him but just put the guy in the wagon “watch the white eyes writhing in his face.” Being the war can really mess you up because you have to go through hard situations without knowing what you going to go through.

3/14/2015 11:19:56 am

The author's argument is really greta. The way you explained how he was placed there near the guy that was choking on his own blood.

3/15/2015 04:17:09 pm

I feel like you made good points in your response however I don't really think you understood what Owens argument was . His argument wasn't that was wasn't good , it was that he doesn't feel is ok for people to falsify how was supposly is when it's not the way they make it seem like.

3/16/2015 01:26:13 am

I agree with you as far as war being nothing good. I think that people who think of war can think of fighting for freedom but as the same time imagining battle scenes including cannons and loads of gunfire. Experiencing the mustard gas may even be comparable to other ways of dyeing. Perhaps just getting sick and not being able to recover. At that time, the soldier is miserable and may even be in pain and is suffering a slow and uncomfortable death just as if they we’re to breathe in the mustard gas as well. War is not a place you want to be stuck in unless you feel that your fellow soldiers are safe and have the supplies to survive any situation that comes your way. (130 words)

3/13/2015 05:34:30 am

In the poem, Dulce et Decorum Est, Wilfred Owen presents a clear argument being stated. Owen is arguing and proving that everyone is just as bad in the war; everyone is corrupted participating in pointless untimely death. He is not opposing war, but he is simply saying that no one that takes part in war is pure, they are submerged around sin. He proves this in the poem in line 15, it states, “Before my helpless sight,” He is saying that the soldiers are helpless; they don’t help in the time of desperate need. In line 16 he states, “He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.” Owen makes it seem like the soldiers watched other soldiers die without trying to help him. “Behind the wagon that we flung him in.” Owen also shows that the soldiers carelessly handled the dead. I positively support Owens stance. I believe that innocence is gone when it comes to war and the careless watching of others death does not help the war being corrupt.169

3/13/2015 05:36:00 am

Owens argument is that World War I was a horrible war with the Mustard gas poisoning. It was a gas that slowly killed people; it took about a month to kill the person. Owen described the gas as an “under a green sea”. The gas was a greenish yellow cloud that affected all areas that was had some type of moisture. Owen described the dying soldiers in his last stanza by saying “if you could hear, at every jolt, the blood come gargling form the froth-corrupted lungs”. The gas affected the lungs first, affecting the mucous membrane, eyes, tongue, mouth, and any open sores. If you inhaled the gas you will automatically start choking and feeling the gas do its work, “he plunges at me, guttering, choking, and drowning” meaning the gas was in his lungs and he was drowning in his own blood. I agree with own because it the mustard gas did a lot of damage it was a deadly gas that affected a lot people in the war and it also affected a lot of innocent people.

3/13/2015 06:19:41 am

That's a different perspective of looking at what Owen's argument was. I mean I agree that he (and everyone else) agrees that the results of WW1 was brutal. What the mustard gas does is just really scary to think about, like how you were describing what happens to the victim if the gas had gotten in their mucus membranes. But does the gas really kill people within a month? Because in the poem he was describing how a man who was affected by the gas was thrown in the back, basically like he was going to die so quickly due to the mustard gas.

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3/15/2015 03:27:15 pm

The facts you gave about the mustard gas that was used in world war 1 was very insightful to what the victims of this type of warfare went through. However I don't agree with the statement that owen's argument was world war 1 was horrible because of mustard gas. His argument is that the war should not be glorified as the other famous poets have done. Instead people should tell the truth about the dangers in the war so they can know what they are getting themselves into.

3/15/2015 03:55:40 pm

It is very true that WWI was a very terrible war. With new methods of killing soldiers and different ways to fight, and ultimately beat the enemy, it did not take long for one to meet death. However I do not think that was Wilfred Owen’s argument in his poem. Yes he describes the atrocities in the war in order for us to see the brutality of the war but also to show that every idealistic thought we have about war is wrong. It should not be portrayed in a way to stir up support but to show its realities in order for civilians at home to realize war is not some fantasy.

3/13/2015 05:36:30 am

Wilfred Owen had written this poem as a response to another piece where author, Jessie Pope, glamourized the idea of being in war as a form of propaganda to have people join. Owen believes that it is wrong to sugar coat the truth of war in order to get people to join. He even went to the extent of adding a line in the poem to specifically point out which poem/ author he was targeting, “My friend, you would not tell with such high zest to children ardent for some desperate glory…”. He also expressed his displeasure with this inaccurate work by providing a vivid example of a death in World War 1. His colleague had slowly died due to quite literally drowning in his own blood and bodily fluids. He used the line, “He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning”, to describe what had happened to the man who was too late to put his mask on during a mustard gas attack. Also, just to make it more real for the audience, “If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud of vile..” and the list goes on. Owen did not take to the glamourized poem lightly, although recruiting people is necessary, it is better to tell the truth of war rather than giving these unknowing children some misguided and corrupted faith before entering what may be, a literal hell. “..like a devil’s sick of sin…”
I completely agree with Wilfred Owen here. To sugar coat the truth is to lie and to possibly further damage these soldiers to be. Its better to let them know what to expect so they can be the strongest soldiers they can possibly be, and so you get the stronger men, the ones who truly wish to fight to the finish, even if it means possible death staring them in the face. Through them, to their soul.
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3/13/2015 06:14:05 am

I completely agree on what you had said about supporting Owen's argument. (In fact we basically wrote the same thing). But anyways, I don't even know why some people bother to sugar coat the truth about war. Because if some people just sign up for war because they think it's a good idea, and they know nothing about it. There's a 99% chance that they will die out there. And what's the use of having men signing up for war with no experience, or an idea about war, being in war? They'll die in like .02 seconds out in the battlefield and it's just a waste of capacity and time for those men who sign up due to the lies that spread about war.

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3/13/2015 06:08:55 am

In the poem “Dulce et Decorum Est.” the author, Wilfred Owen, argued that war is not something that you should go sign up for unless you know what it’s exactly about. He argues this because in his poem he uses imagery and personification to illustrate to the readers that you are basically walking into your own death if you have no idea what war is in general. For example, around lines 7-8, he uses personification about the shells because these men are really just getting killed with the bombs that are being dropped behind them, and they don’t even know about it. Also, around lines 11-12 he is illustrating to the readers that these men who are walking towards ‘safety’, one man is being basically killed by the gas and it looks like he is so much pain and agony because it is almost like he is on fire. Owen also describes the situation more vividly around lines 18-20 when he describes how a man who has been a victim of the gas, is thrown in a wagon alive knowing that he is going to die.

I agree with Owen’s argument because these men who signed up for WW1 they had no idea that most of them were going to die brutally from the mustard gas. Almost everyone tampers with the true evidence of what really goes down in war because if they knew the truth they would not have signed up in the first place. Many naive young men will do whatever they think seems okay, but they literally have no idea what they’re walking into

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3/13/2015 08:25:00 am

Wilfred Owen’s argument in this poem is that he believes that no one should tell a lie to children as of how the war might be. Basically, to not glorify the war unless you know what really happens or how things work out during the war. He uses his poem to describe briefly in specific words as of what REALLY happens in war, and how soldiers struggle with their life trying to keep themselves alive. For example, when it comes to encountering the mustard gas not every soldier has a mask or even makes it, those who don’t make it and encounter the gas, they are slowly dying, which is a horrible way to die. In lines 9-12 “GAS! GAS! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time, But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.” Like the author describes in the poem, in lines 5-6 “Many had lost their boots, But limped on, blood-shed.” You cant move properly when you have your feet all bloody and obviously in pain because if their feet are bleeding, then that means they have cuts and sores which made them limp.
I absolutely agree with Owen’s argument because he makes a good point, there should not be people who are saying things about war to children when they actually have no idea whatsoever about what takes place at the moment of attacks. If war wasn't as dangerous as it sounds, then why are there many deaths? It's not because of how weak a person might be because all soldiers are trained before going into battle, but no one simply knows what happens, unless you have had a role in role or have witnessed it. But many people talk without knowing so it's sometimes a shame that you believe and do things based on what they have told you.

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3/13/2015 09:36:15 am

The authors argument in “Dulce Et Decorum Est ‘’ is that he’s against the fact that individuals leave out the struggles of how the war actually is and the false positive images that war sometimes portrays. Owen wants the readers to imagine what the soldiers are going through while they are at war. For example, he uses phrases such as “Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots, but limped on, blood-shod”. This is an example of line 5 that gives us an image of how the soldiers are forced to march exhausted, barefoot, and in bad condition. Another example is when he says “In all my dreams before my helpless sight he plunges at me, guttering, chocking, drowning “, (Owen 15) which explains how the soldiers are drowning from the mustard gas and the exhaustion from marching. It’s obvious that Owen wants the readers to know how war is and he wants to let people know that war shouldn’t be portrayed as positive, when in reality war is a dangerous place to be at. The last example that shows Owen’s argument would be in line 26 and line 27 when it says “To children ardent for some desperate glory, the old lie: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori’’. I agree with Owen’s argument because its important for individuals who want to go to war to know what they are actually going in for.

3/13/2015 11:35:10 am

In “Dulce et Decorum Est,” Owen’s argument is that no one should experience what the soldiers in World War 1 had to deal with. He believes that the war is necessary but not necessary. He believes that they shouldn’t lie to people in order to make them join. No solider would understand what the World War 1 soldiers went through. Mustard gas was last used in that war and a lot of people were exposed to it. It affected people in the worst way and that’s the reason it isn’t used I anymore. Soldiers went through ways of dying that no one should go through. In the poem they mentioned how bad it was “If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud of vile...” This is the truth of the war and everyone should know what they get into when entering into the war. With Owen’s argument regarding the war I support it because lying about the war isn’t something they shouldn’t do. When they do that they are putting people at risk with their lives. (190)

3/15/2015 03:11:53 pm

I agree with the argument being that the people enlisting in world war 1 should know the horrors they will have to face before going to the war. However I don't agree with your statement of world war 1 being unnecessary. Owen in no was states or gives the impression that he believed World War 1 was an irrelevant war or something that didn't need to happen because it was something that needed to happen. He was just making it a point to make people aware of the real dangers of war instead of glorifying it like others have.

3/16/2015 01:29:25 am

I agree with the war being necessary but at the same time unnessesary. Sometimes the leaders who might call war on another country are selfish and don’t think ahead. Anyone who will go to war and is willing to kill many people of the other country, are in humane. Soldiers from all over want to be able to go into war, fight for their freedom and leave alive and uninjured. I still wonder the reason for going to war to kill each other because two people or leaders couldn’t come to an agreement. I think that war is childish and that any soldier who goes to war should not die slowly and in pain due to the mustard gas. (words: 120)

3/16/2015 07:03:27 am

I agree with your statement I also agree with the argument he's trying to spread

3/13/2015 12:35:05 pm

In the poem “Dulce et Decorum”, Wilfred Owen’s argument in this poem is that we shouldn’t tell lies about how war is glorious and fitting because the reality of war is that it is horrifying and agonizing for many soldiers. Wilfred Owen shows the horror and agony of war by giving some of the experiences that the soldiers had to face during World War I. One way of how Wilfred Owen shows the horror and agony is in line 9 of the poem where it says “GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling” because as the gas is being exposed to the soldiers, they would have to quickly put on their gas mask before they would slowly die from the gas around them and nothing would help them survive from the gas. The second way of how Wilfred Owen shows these two things would be in line 15 where it says “In all my dreams, before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.” This shows the agony and horror of war because would die slowly from the gas since they couldn’t get a mask to protect themselves and everybody around them would have to helplessly watch them suffering. The last way of how he shows the real experiences in the war would be in line 5 where it says “Many had lost their boots But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue.” This shows what the soldiers had to experience as they fight in the war which would be considered to be agonizing because even though they are tired, exhausted, and injured, they must continue moving forward in order to survive and win. As a response to Wilfred Owen’s argument, I would support his argument for letting people know the reality of the war for certain reasons. The first reason would be because they should have the rights to know what really happens in war besides being told that it is for the glory of the country. The second reason would be that they should make sure that it is what they really want to do because some people might want to fight for their country instead of being told that it is amazing to go to war. (376)

3/15/2015 04:09:51 pm

I like your response to Wilfred Owen’s poem very well. You do a fantastic job of showing how he was trying to show to civilians the reality of the war that others are glorifying for propaganda reasons. You show support for this stance with excellent quotes for the poem. What I liked the most was your reasoning for supporting Owen’s stance. It is unfair to lie to children without giving them the truth of what you are trying to sugarcoat. What if you were told the same lie without being warned better of it. And besides like you said what if some people want to volunteer to become a soldier without being told a lie?

3/13/2015 03:16:16 pm

It is evident when reading the poem, “Dulce et Decorum Est”, that poet Wilfred Owen is trying to express his opinion about the idea of war. Throughout this poem, he does well to express the horridness of war in language that common people can understand but to what avail? What does he want us to understand about war that he has to put it in basic terms for people like us? In my opinion, Owen is trying to express war in all its realities to show that it is something not to be trifled with. That war, as much as we would love for it to an event to show your patriotism, is not the fantasy that we imagine it to be. In the poem, Owen seems to be expressing his anger over children being told lies about war and the reality, in which he is in, is something of a horror movie. For instance, lines 17 to 28 are all part of one sentence as though Owen was in such anger he did not want to catch a breath, just as any angry person does when in an argument. He is such anger at this “old lie” he is almost, through arrangement of his lines, spitting words out as though exasperated at those glorifying war for what it is not. He also describes the reality of war in the way it is meant to be from lines 9 to 12 to show how you could never portray to kids the evilness of war. This poem is perhaps the best position in this argument about the portrayal of war in the minds of common people. War is something that scars anybody for life and cannot be praised “with such high zest” when in realities are horrific. I support his position in the fact that it shows that war is unlike anything civilians have faced therefore should not be deceived in a way to get people to support it.
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3/16/2015 06:57:22 am

I agree completely he's trying to get us to understand that its going to be a scary experience and you don't know whether your going to die or not

3/13/2015 03:53:05 pm

His argument is on war and how it horrible most of the time to die for your country in a
very violent and displeasing war. An example of this would be how he described the death of
these soldiers when he said, “He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.” This vivid
picture of death describes how war isn't some glorious fight for your country all the time, it can
be cruel and deadly. Another depiction of this would be when the dying soldier was hauled away
and he described his face as, “The white eyes writhing in his face, his hanging face, like the
devil's sick of sin.” It isn't all peaches and cream when your fighting and dying for your country,
in reality he shows how devastating it really is and how bitter instead of sweet it is to die almost
ironic. I would have to agree with him though. In reality it isn't sweet and fitting when your
lungs are being eaten away with mustard gas and it isn't fitting when you see your allies
drowning in their blood filled lungs. Thats why in the end he admits and states that it is a old lie.
Mainly children use this excuse as a call into battle or as to die with a cause when in reality as a
soldier you are expendable.

3/13/2015 05:17:30 pm

Unfortunaley, that is not what Owen is trying to argue. What Owen is saying is that people should want to enter the war and honor their country but they should be told and know and understand the harshness, reality and severity of war before entering in because without this information and knowledge the act of enetring the war isnt genuine.

3/13/2015 04:32:13 pm

In the poem “Dulce et Decorum Est.” by Wilfred Owen was written during the beginning of World War I. It was written as propaganda to encourage men to join the war. Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori literally translates to “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country”. However throughout the entire poem Wilfred Owen depicts the gory details of trench warfare, the effects of being hit with mustard gas without having a gas mask on, and watching the man fighting next to you struggling to take his last breath. His argument however is not shown until the last lines of the poem. “My friend, you would not tell with such high zest to children ardent for some desperate glory The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.” Owen’s argument is that the war needs not to be glorified instead let the men of age know what they are getting themselves into. It’s one thing to fight for your country willingly but it’s another thing to go into a war blind to the severity of the dangers that occur. I support his argument because even in the news today they don’t show you “the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs.” In fact they rarely ever report from people who are still in the middle east right now. If some people who volunteered knew what it would actually be like to be in a war they probably wouldn’t have been so willing to go on their own.
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3/13/2015 05:14:56 pm

I do agree what youve had to say on Owen;s argument. As your opinion on it, i feel as though you should explain yourself more. You mentioned that you do agree on his argument and people should be informed...But i feel as though if you would have elborated more and possibly stated how the people enetering the war knew the severity of it....it would have helped your point get across

3/13/2015 05:02:46 pm

In the poem, “Duce Et Decorum Est” by Owen Wilson, he argues that war is something that people should want to enter in order to fight for their country and take pride in their country, but at the same time, do no enter it blindfolded. War is a hardship of death and sometimes even guilt. So compared other poems that try to convince people to enter war by providing them with false hopes and dreams, he almost shatters that outlook, but only for reason that the reality of war must only be the truth. For example, around lines 7-8, he uses personification about the shells because these men are really just getting killed with the bombs that are being dropped behind them, and they don’t even know about it. Also, around lines 11-12 he is illustrating to the readers that these men who are walking towards ‘safety’, one man is being basically killed by the gas and it looks like he is so much pain and agony because it is almost like he is on fire. Owen also describes the situation more vividly around lines 18-20 when he describes how a man who has been a victim of the gas, is thrown in a wagon alive knowing that he is going to die.
As for Owen’s argument, I do agree with what he has to say because many times young teens and men enter the war and when people tell them lies and give them false imaginations, it not only isnt fair, but not right. They need to be properly informed. In order for them enter war and fight successfully, I feel as though they need the truth. They would want to fight harder and more knowing what’s more at stakes. Compared to being misinformed...they might not enter caring as much.

3/15/2015 11:51:36 am

Fortunately you are incorrect. In the poem the personification about the bombs aren't
killing the men exactly, they are just going over the men. As Mrs.Williams said in class, the men
are marching on and are so deep in enemy lines that the bombs are going over them. Also these
men do know what war is about. If they didn't know what war was about then these people
wouldn't try to avoid it. There is a reason why the last line says that “Dulce Et Decorum Est.” is
an old lie. In short people don't like war its not that they do and go in blindfolded.

3/13/2015 05:04:27 pm

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3/14/2015 11:16:41 am

His argument about this is that he doesn’t like it. He is trying to tell everyone about what the mustered gas could do. It kills the men quickly and is really painful. “At every jolt, blood comes gurgling up.” (Dulce Et Decorum Est, Wilfred) He also uses the text to show that some people would live through it to tell the tail, but there is also the people that don’t. He happened to be the one to be near that person who didn’t put his mask on quick. I support his argument because war is wrong, but not to use that method to win. It is actually worse than being mummified. You would be dead when they mummify you, but it’s something religious to do it, but using that method. (680 words)

3/15/2015 02:17:11 pm

In the poem, "Dulce et Decorum" Owen argues how the war is a cruel experience for someone to go through. Owens says, "Many men lost their boots but limped on, blood-shod". Many men die from it or worst become traumatize for their whole life. Owen believes wars are necessary but aren't good. One of the worst things the men faced was the mustard gas, it tore them apart. From the inside and out, they were dying and no one could save them. "But someone still was yelling out and stumbling and floundering like a man in fire or lime." Owen's description of a man caught by the mustard gas. With all that's happening in a war, men would have visions of terrifying scenes replaying over and over in their heads. He speaks about his dreams, "In my dreams, before my helpless sight, he plunges at me guttering, choking, drowning." Clear example of what the men go through while in war, it painful and heartbreaking at the same time. I completely agree with Owen's argument because it speaks the truth, he's not over exaggerate at all, everything he speaks of in this poem is what men experienced. Advertising being in a war as a wonderful thing is false.

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3/16/2015 06:52:50 am

In Dulce et Decorum Est, Wilfred Owen is trying to address an argument about the war. The argument that he’s trying to get across is that a lot of things could happen when you’re in war. You could live in the war or you can get injured or die in the war. This is true because he uses a lot of personification in his poem. He also thoroughly explains what happens to the soldier who didn’t get his gas mask on in time when the mustard gas hit. For example, he says, “in all my dreams, before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning”. This shows that the way he explains what happens to the soldier is really graphic. Another example of the explanation is when he said” his hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud”. One quote that shows Owen’s argument is at the end of the poem when he says, “ My friend, you would not tell with such high zest to children ardent for some desperate glory, the old Lie: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori”. This quote proves owen’s point which is you never what’s going to happen when you go into the war and when and if you do live to go home then you’ll never be the same when you come back.

3/17/2015 02:12:10 am

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3/16/2015 03:09:33 pm

In the poem "Dulce et decorum est" the author argument is against war and the positives and negatives that follows along with it. One of the negative conditions of the war of men involved in the war, were attacked and killed by mustard gas used by the Germans in World War 1. The shock of this gas attack dwells on the aftermath of this tragic event on someone who lives through it. It can lead to immediate death when exposed to this gas. A person who risks his life to save his/her country can be known as Dulce et decorum est. The author witnessed the “drowning” of a fellow soldier in a sea of mustard gas. The mustard gas can kill individuals in a matter of seconds, it can deteriorate the inside and outside body. Owen also believes that, even though wars are good in so many ways like saving ones country, but it also leads to number of lives lost. Even if a soldier is struggling throughout a war he/she will still fight to the very end. "Many had lost their boots but limped on, blood-shod". “In all my dreams, before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning”, this quote depicts what Owen and his men went through which lead to emotional and physical breakdowns.

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