Now that you have read and analyzed Owen's poem, supplementing your understanding by viewing video clips and discussing, please take a moment to reflect on Owen's argument regarding war. Then answer the following prompts:
1. What is his argument and how does he use his poem to prove his argument? Please be sure to use multiple line references (3+ references) to support your analysis>
2. Once you have thoroughly explained Owen's argument regarding war, please compose a thoughtful response either refuting and supporting his stance.
In your Primary Blog Entry, you should respond to the questions above in a single entry. Your Secondary Blog Entry should respond to two of your colleagues' entries that are especially interesting to you.
Part One Expectations (respond to the prompt above): 200-250 words, 2 quotes from the novel, minimal errors in grammar and usage, thoughtful and thorough writing. Please use the assigned "pen name" given to you in class PLEASE FINISH BY FRIDAY NIGHT!
Part Two Expectations (read everyone's first responses, select two that interest you, and respond to their ideas): 100-150 words EACH, minimal errors in grammar and usage, thoughtful and thorough writing. Please use the assigned "pen name" given to you in class. FINISH BY SUNDAY NIGHT!
3/13/2015 12:59:26 am
With being read the poem, I feel like Wilfred Owen doesn't take things about the war as a game. Its important to him, its his life that revolves around the war and fights. Him and his men have to risk their life for people they protect. “Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, as under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams before my helpless sight he plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.” They get hurt, wounded, blinded from gas, lose hearing, its not a game when its someone's reality. " Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots, but limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind; drunk with fatigue ; deaf even to the hoots disappointed shells dropping softly behind"
3/13/2015 01:11:14 am
War is dangerous, and upsetting. Many people died, and many soldiers seen their own friend die in front of their face. War should always be taken seriously, and should never be in other people's mind as a game. I like your statement!
3/15/2015 02:36:43 pm
I seen the same thing when I read the poem. The author that he is responding to seems to only know the violence that occurs in war and the 'barbaric' ways. Owen did risk his own life to be praised for repping his country, but he also seemed to let people know that war has it's dark side and you won't understand until you stepped into the battle field. I give Owen "props" to because it takes a mental preparation to step foot in war, knowing that you can die at anytime (and or loose friends). War makes people crazy but it gives those who are fighting a will to fight.
3/15/2015 03:36:25 pm
I agree Owen is saying that people shouldn't take war lightly. It's not something to just brush off and by past its serious it's grusome and I also believe he is also saying that people should join to help their country. But they shouldn't join in false advertisement.they need to know how it's really going to be out their because once you sighn those papers you can't go back or change ur mind . You just can't do it finale.
3/13/2015 01:00:25 am
this poem is an argument to war, hating the war its self. he hates the idea of being forced into an early death. but Wilfred Owen is arguing against the recruitment poem that its hard, war is. If you were part of the war you wouldn't want to be "no matter how long the war lasts and what it may mean"
3/13/2015 01:03:03 am
The poem “Dulce et Decorum Est” by Wilfred Owen is about the way that the war was being presented to the people to convince them to join. Owen is basically talking about how he believes it’s wrong to put this false glorifying image in these young men’s’ heads. In the poem “Who’s for the Game?” by Jessie Pope, it hypes the men up to join the war by sugar-coating and not being one hundred percent honest about what can really happen in war. “Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time” this quote from Owens poem is an example of how if you aren’t fast enough, if something goes wrong, you can basically lose your life in the blink of an eye. That you can die in the war faster than you think. “He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.” Owen uses this great imagery to actually show what it is like, that this is what you see around you when you’re in the war and that, that person could be you. “My friend, you would not tell with such zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.” In this quote he answers to the other author Pope and tells him that he shouldn’t be selling the war in this way. That the war should be looked at from a realistic prospective and that these men deserve to understand what they are getting into. I agree with Owen because it isn’t fair to portray this positive image about the war, because war is a serious and dangerous place to be. These men that join should at least be told the truth about what the war is like, so that they could mentally be prepared for the war.
3/13/2015 01:09:06 am
I agree with your statement, I believe war should never be sugar-coated. War is dangerous, killing many people. War is not only about killing, but feeling the loss of a friend, brother, father, uncle, and son. These soldiers risk their life fighting to protect their people and country. War should always be taken seriously to everyone.
3/13/2015 04:33:19 am
I agree that war is something that should never be sugar coated or treated like a joke, its something that is very serious because there is men out there dyeing just so that we can live the life that we take for granted every day, just as Owens portrays it as a cruel place is exactly how it is its nothing to take so lightly as Pope had. Our men should be able to understand what exactly there in for and that there’s a possibility at any moment that they will be killed as well, instead of leading them on this false hope and sugar coating what is actually going to happen in war.
3/14/2015 08:19:18 am
I agree with your statement, I believe war should be taken seriously, but people think it is a joke and just all fun and games. War is dangerous, and if they can’t take it serious then they will be the ones who will have an untimely death. War is not only about killing, but the feelings that soldiers have for the loss of their comrades is very special to them, as they all treat each other as friends and brothers. These soldiers risk their life fighting to protect their people and country. War should always be taken seriously to everyone, and they should always respect those who are fighting for them to save their country. (115)
3/15/2015 01:08:21 pm
I agree with this response I feel as if the worst parts of war shouldn't be sugar coated and they should be detailed because we have our people going out to war and risking there lives for our country and for what each soldier has to see before they could possibly lose there life at anytime next to one of there own men that's why I agree to your response and they way you detailed was perfect
3/13/2015 01:05:45 am
Wilfred Owen argument is that war is not a game. War is something serious, where many people risk their life for their country. Many innocent people dies, "All went lame, all blind; Drunk of gas-shells dropping softly behind." (Owen 1). War is not about glory, and fun games it’s more violent and tragedy occurring than you can expect. People who fight in war don’t expect it to be as bad as it is. When they do go to war they see things they never thought they would see. Bombs, fire, and helpless death.
3/13/2015 01:11:53 am
I agree with the fact that he is trying to convey that war is a serious thing and shouldn't be portrayed in a different light due to the media's want to bring people into this war. If the people are going to be told to join the war they should at least be honest with what they are getting into. That lives will be lost and that it's a very serious and dangerous experience to go through.
3/13/2015 01:15:49 am
War is something serious nothing to play with. I feel like everyone knows they are risking their lives but what they don't realize is that their risking their insanity their mental stability. This is because what they will see will not go away it will stay with tem no matter how hard they pretend their okay. That’s why so many solider come back with ptsd and can’t fit back into society. No one tells them this they don’t tell them the bad because they don’t want them to change their mind. But they need to because it can torment them for the rest of their lives.
3/14/2015 08:44:14 am
I agree with your statement. War is something serious and shouldn’t be a joke about. Some don’t know that there are people who are risking their own lives just for them to live on with their lives, but instead they think those who are at war doesn’t matter to them. Those who joke around about war should be put in the frontlines and see how a big deal it is. No one tells them that they the war is bad because they don’t know what they are risking for and thinks it’s all just fun and games when they too, will have an untimely death. (105)
3/14/2015 03:02:55 pm
I agree with Owens argument because war isn’t a game and it is actually serious because people’s lives are at risk. War causes more than just deaths like strong emotions from the soldiers and their family members. I don’t think they should be advertising only the positive aspects of war because war is dangerous and serious.
3/15/2015 01:18:45 pm
I agree to your point of view war isn't a game and the quotes you picked for this response were also important to see your reasoning. He tells about the gas shells everything going lame also seeing his friend choking and drowning to his death you can tell that his poem was written to show people the realism of the war it isn't to be played with and how he knows nobody should have to go threw that.
3/13/2015 01:07:45 am
Owens argument in his poem is that war is not pretty so it should not be shown or told like it is. He’s not telling people not to join because he joined and they do need help. But he does want them to go in to war or thought of war with their eyes open to what really goes on and not the thought that put out into the world to make you want to join. you have to see not just the good but the bad too.in his poem he says “ in all my dreams before my helpless sight ,he plunges at me , guttering,choking,drowning” meaning he can’t get the things horrible things he sees in war out of his head it stays with him . Also he says “if you could hear, at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs”. Which also his prove his argument because was is not pretty and in war you will see tons of blood spilled. I do agree completely with Owens argument because you can’t be closed minded, naïve to war cause it would take by surprise when you join thinking you’re not going to see all this violent killing or harm to the people of your country. But you are truly mistaken because you will this is the cost of fight for your country.
3/13/2015 01:13:51 am
I like the idea that they need their eyes to be open to what they are actually getting into. And I also like how you talked about how he is saying that they do need people to fight in the war but he at least wants these people to be honest. That these children need to know what is going to happen in the war and that they would potentially lose their lives in the very horrible way.
3/13/2015 04:39:20 am
I like the way that you state how they did need men and help and that the war will not be pretty, and I also do agree that Owen didn't want these men to get into this war without having an eye opener that the war will not be fun and games and that it is an actual war there is a great chance that you will lose your life in the fight, but there also is good and bad. I do agree that he was mentally preparing these men because they can’t be closed minded because that just brings fear and if there always in fear they will most likely be the first to go they need to know the truth so they can be prepared and ready for anything when they get there.
3/13/2015 01:12:48 am
Wilfred Owens argument is that he doesn’t understand why people would want to try to recruit such innocent teens to join in the middles of a very bad war. He would rather him try to get teens to join on a quiet time during the war. In the poem he says “As a green sea, I saw him drowning.” This is kind of saying that the new people that joined the war are not going to be able to take care of themselves they will be bringing everyone down because they aren’t very trained. I agree with his poem and what he’s stating he is basically saying that these kids aren’t ready to be put into a war without any training. He’s also saying that ki9ds need to continue to be kids and they shouldn’t put into this type of situation. Jessie Pope is very wrong for trying to make a song that will try to get tens to want to become a part of this type of issue at such a young age. Owen is more of a very truthful person as far as trying his best to say that having teens joining is kind of a sin as far as what Pope is doing. Word Count:206
3/15/2015 02:40:13 pm
War isn't a joke and it can really make you look at things a different way, but just because Pope see's war a different war does not make him wrong. Pope see's the way of war being unnecessary and we can all work things out by negotiating. Owens is just responding to Pope letting Pope know that negotiating isn't all cupcakes and talk over a coffee, if you want something...sorry to say you have to physically go and get it.
3/13/2015 01:13:23 am
Wilfred Owen argument is towards Jessie Pope poem because he felt that they should have made a stronger statement on how it really feels to be in war. He also talks about how it’s not about the glory of the game or the fame; it’s about survive and making it home in one piece. For example, Owen says, “My friend, would not tell with such high zest to children ardent for some desperate glory.” I have to agree with Owen argument because I feel that if they told us about how war really is more people who want to go to war would better prepared themselves. Another example of why I agree with Owen is because in the poem “who’s for the game” says “who knows it won’t be a picnic,” we don’t know so if anything goes wrong there’s going to be a big picnic. Owen tells us how to better prepare ourselves for action while Pope wants us to go to war without the knowledge of what out there and what challenges we might have to face down the road. For example, the gas that was dropped we didn’t know what it really does until Owen wrote about it. That is why I agree with Owen argument.
3/14/2015 02:53:46 pm
I strongly agree with what Owen is saying when he states that, “My friend, would not tell with such high zest to children ardent for some desperate glory.” He is saying that if the government that was advertising the truth about war then people will either think twice about joining or they will be prepared and more aware of what they getting in to. I believe that they only show the good sides to the war and not the bad side so that they will get more recruits. That why I agree with his argument.
3/13/2015 04:20:29 am
Owen’s argument in the poem Dulce et Decorum Est is that people should be realistic about what they are getting themselves into when they go to war. Some will survive, but some could die in an unpleasant way and won’t return. The line “My friend, you would not tell with such high zest. To children ardent for some desperate glory, the old lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori” is an example of his argument because there are some people who glorify war and thinks that they can just be given medals to the heroes of the war. Owen wants us to think about those who do not come back and die for sacrificing their own lives to save them from other threats that have plans to take on our nation. Owen also wants us to visualize and hear gurgling sounds of blood in the lungs as though someone were dying of cancer, sores on the tongues of innocent men, and other horrible things in the throat that is very vile. I believe Owen’s argument because the war is a very dangerous place that you shouldn’t be in. Those who are joining to fight in the war should at least be told the truth about what the war is like, so that they can experience what is like being in a place where you put your life on the line. (231)
3/13/2015 09:55:39 am
I agree with your statement because it's true how most people act towards war. In the first beginning they think it's all fun and games once they get in and don't expect things to go viral quickly and ones who join war at times don't know a thing about crime or fighting or even know the truth about what they're getting themselves into.
3/13/2015 08:47:50 am
Wilfred Owen wants people to see the reality of war. He’s not trying to depict a horrid environment or make war seem like a bad decision, but he wants you to understand the severity of what war is like. “Coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,” This isn’t a task for the weak willed or someone who has low patience. Being a soldier takes perseverance and dedication. “Many had lost their boots, but limped on, blood-shod.” In war they endure things that most people couldn’t imagine having to still truck through the hard yet sticky mud with nothing but blood stained feet. The war was a very hard thing to push through especially when it didn’t seem to have an upside to it. I agree completely with Owen’s thoughts, people don’t look at the full scope of what becoming a soldier and going to war means. Like yeah you’re fighting for your country but you’re risking any and everything. Most people don’t come out of that live, and if they do they’re coming out with limbs missing, paralyzed, or worst of all they come out with an altered view on life with PTSD. Sometimes the PTSD is so bad that the littlest things will trigger something in their brains that’ll make them believe they’re back in the war instead of back in their homeland.
3/13/2015 09:51:48 am
I agree with your statement on how Wilfred Owen wants people to stop thinking about war in a negative way and see the reality of it. You also made a great point when you said being a soldier takes perseverance and dedication. That is very true and smart to say.
3/13/2015 09:45:24 am
I feel as though Wilfred Owen is very head strong and doesn't take war like it's some kind of game. It seems to be very important to him because in his life he was basically exposed to many war-like situations and fights he has witnessed so he takes everything war related very seriously. The poem "Dulce et Decorum Est" is basically a poem about how the war was presented to people to try and convince them in joining it. Owen feels as though war or anything war-like should never be sugar coated. You shouldn't want to think about it like it's a joke because it's somewhat of a near death experience if you're not careful. He wants us to look at war differently from how we feel it is when we hear stories about it. It may be dangerous because of all the smoke and vicious weapons but he's not trying to make readers think it's a bad decision. In his poem he says "GAS! GAS! Quick, boys!" Which means once a gas leak is in the air then everyone should be alert. Also when he said "coughing like hags, we cursed through the sludge" I can almost imagine being in that situation he's in.
3/15/2015 09:20:34 am
I totally agree with you, Owen wants people to see the severity of what war actually is. It's not something to joke about or take lightly, I also like how you referred back to "Dulce et Decorum Est".
3/15/2015 12:15:21 pm
I agree, Owen is very serious about the war. Owen is the type of guy that doesn't play with anything that involves peoples lives. I like the way you explained the poem.
3/13/2015 10:39:18 am
Wilfred Owen wrote a very intense poem to really give a different feel to the situations he was involved in during and throughout the war. A couple of quotes from his poem make you think more open minded into his words. One of his quotes he said, “Coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, till on the haunting flares we turned our backs.” and it really made me realize what he went through in the war he says these specific details to make the reader understand war isn't a game , its your life on the line and any mistake could be your last. The way he puts his thoughts and conscience in to his poem makes me scared to want to go to war because i don't want to be in that situation where i am just stuck and my fate is in somebody else's hands. Another quote he says is, "In all my dreams before my helpless sight ,he plunges at me , guttering,choking,drowning”. That quote makes me think about all the people he was around and had to watch suffer around him and If he could even help them or get the chance to help them. His words in this poem make me not think about going to war for my country even though i respect the men and woman who do, but still he tells the effects that are possible of getting after returning from war . (240)
3/13/2015 03:25:56 pm
In Owen's poem "Dulce et Decorum Est" he speaks about why war is not exactly essential. Owen argues that war is how one gets to represent his love and respect for his country, but also what the experience is actually like. In line 6-7 of the poem Owen says, "...Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots disappointed shells dropping softly behind." this to me stands out because I feel that the solider's feel that they have to get drunk so that they don't have to deal with the deaths and pain that war brings (it's like a temporary relief). In line 8 Owen also says something about the mustard gas that was used to hurt the enemy, "Gas! GAS! Quick boys! - An Ecstasy of fumbling" running from the gas has the adrenaline but the fear behind it as well. I agree with Owen because war isn't exactly necessary because of it's negative effects not only to the people involved, but the place where the war is held and to the innocents involved in that area. The weapons used are too dangerous and have lasting effects (like the agent orange in the Vietnam water still and the land mines still in the ground).
3/13/2015 04:06:42 pm
In the poem Dulc et Decorum Est, Wilfred Owen explains why he think that people shouldn’t go to war before thinking about it. He argues whether there is true honor in dieing for your country. Wilfred Owen thinks that before joining the war people should look and also consider the horrible outcome about joining the war. Owen experienced the true nature of war believes that if a person was more aware of how war actually is will think twice about joining. He is saying it’s a great honor to fight and die for your country. “Gas! GAS! Quick, Boys!” The victims of the gas made them have a slow and painfully death. While in the war the boys fought in the trenches filled with water, mud, rats, and bodies. The author shows the struggles they went through in this war. Their trying to encourage young men to join the war by sating the good and ignoring the bad. “…yelling out and stumbling, And flound'ring like a man in fire…” I believe he used this specific quote because it shows the little small terrors of war. Owen things that Pope shouldn’t advertise the war in a positive way and tell the viewer’s how war actually is. (205)
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